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#OnThisDay, 16 Jan 1970, Dilma Rousseff, a member of the Brazilian guerrilla movement against the military government, was arrested. She was labelled the “Joan of Arc” of the movement.

In 2011 she became the first woman to be president of Brazil.

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Black and white photo of Dilma Rousseff at her military court hearing. The judges in the background are hiding their faces with their hands.
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blaue_Fledermaus
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She's certainly a controversial figure.

On one side, under her government a ton of really good stuff was done.

On another, every time she opened her mouth she had an immense aura of incompetence.

I wasn't born yet, but I've heard that the guerrilla movement sometimes hurt innocent people and did actions for their own self profit instead of hurting the government. They were seen as just common bandits disguised as "resistance".

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Yes! Certainly!

I guess that was sort of the intention of my comment, because Dilma is one that a lot (most?) of people either demonize or idolize.

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@blaue_Fledermaus No man, most people don't idolize Dilma Rousseff. But they feel genuine admiration for her. There are people who idolize her. I'm not one of them, because for me she did a lot of shit during her government like those terrible reforms. But robbing a bank during the military dictatorship to pay for resistance to a government that tortured and murdered hundreds of people is not one of those mistakes! She would be considered a criminal if we were still in the military dictatorship. This is literally rhetoric that people who defend the military regime use!? This is not being moderate.
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@noahloren
Yes, that's why I put a question mark on "most", and also put "demonize" first because it seems to be the most common.

I agree that both extreme views are unfair to her.

I have heard a personal report of a former bank manager that was made hostage by her, she told him that the others wanted to kill him but she convinced them not to. Supposedly they were later caught spending all the money in casinos in Paraguay.

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@noahloren
I also live in the very Conservative "right" Santa Catarina, so my perception is certainly biased.
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@blaue_Fledermaus No, I honestly don't understand what the stigma is about this given the context. I would understand if she had committed violent crimes, if people had been raped or killed by her in these robberies because human life is priceless. But she didn't rob people. She robbed a bank. If a bank is robbed, it can refund the money of those who had money stored in it, which is unlikely because given the amounts, the money was not stolen from small accounts. And it will hardly go bankrupt because of this and leave its employees unemployed. In fact, if someone is left without compensation, it is mostly the bank's or the state's fault. That's just what I don't understand. If she had tortured someone I would understand, if she had killed a civilian, not a soldier, and raped someone I would understand. If she took money by force from workers and peasants. But feeling sorry for a bank!? Sorry, just wanted to comment.
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@noahloren
Certainly, I'm not going to feel sorry for a bank, specially if it was helping the dictatorship.

What I commented was based on an account from someone who worked at a bank and who personally had a gun pointed at him by her. But also by his account she saved him because the others wanted to kill him.

Also as I said, I'm aware that from the context where I live the opinions are very biased against her.

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And this is precisely the problem here, @blaue_Fledermaus . She was a great woman with great history, but not an idol. Dilma isn't perfect, but she had many great lines and suffered a lot of prejudice throughout her term as president. The “aura of incompetence” associated with her speeches derives from clippings and memes produced precisely to associate this aura with her.

And reduce the guerrilla movement to just "just common bandits disguised as 'resistance'" is to completely disregard the historical moment in which this movement took place.

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@aracnus

Yes!

Even at the time of the "store wind" I was irritated because it was clear (to me) what she meant.

I live in the very "conservative" "right-wing" Santa Catarina, so I know information around me is very biased.

I tried to say that "this is something people say/think about her", not necessarily that I agree.

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